Advice on Writing Stories

[Humilatron]

I’ve had people in the past asking how to write stories, how do you come up with these ideas? Is it wrong to think in this way? Why write “humiliation” stories! Why do people “get off” to ENF/ENM/similar content?

And I’ve had conversations regarding this topic, but I figured I would speak in a general aspect using both anecdotal and observational evidence. This is what I did as well as what I’ve seen.

I have mentioned in the past that I have NO personal experience with ENF, sex, romance, etc. and that is true. I am not a person who goes out and dates or has sex on a daily or puts myself into embarrassing situations. So how do I write my stories then?

First, I’m a person who doesn’t really care about realism when I write. It’s a FANTASY. And the beauty of writing is I can make ANYthing happen in writing. But I also understand people who like to keep it grounded and the more relatable a story is, the more a reader can take out of it. So the answer is simple, I’ve done my research. I’ve read a lot of stories on this board, the former board, CHYOA, ThatsEmbarrassing.com, and other sites in the past. And I have a way of “parroting” but also keeping it unique. I try to come up with unique scenarios, unique characters, different situations. Let’s be honest there’s only so many ways you can write an ENF scenario revolving the pool or the ocean. It’s like we’ve read it a thousand times. Girl or Boy loses swimwear by diving into the water or someone cuts their strings or whatever. And there’s only so much you can do surrounding such a scenario, but the way you make it different is your characters, adding some sort of twist, or some way to make it different. You can even start by making it cliché. The idea is to get the experience of writing and then growing. I’ve written a lot of cliché pieces. It’s what I started with. I read stories on ASSTR, or one of the Stripping Boards and I just sort of mimicked their stories but made it with some sort of unique factor. What you should never do is blatantly copy stories. I’ve had that happen so many times and while I can’t claim ideas or stories, I can obviously see when someone doesn’t even bother to change one aspect of a story. Granted sometimes it is pure coincidence, but a lot of the times it’s not and it can be unfortunate. I’d say it’s okay to take inspiration and make it your own, but you should NEVER copy either word for word or paragraph for paragraph. Changing the name or one feature of the character does not help.

But what you could do is take the same sort of scenario and put a different character into the situation. How do they react? Are they embarrassed? Shy? Excited? Angry? Do they want revenge? Are they intimidated? Are they just a royal bitch? Think about ways to make your character different from the others. That is what will make your story different. The best stories I’ve read are not in unique scenarios but have unique characters that bring life to the story.

When in doubt, give credit. If you really are inspired by Hooked6, SDS, Lady Lucia, RevengedPirate, or even myself, at the VERY LEAST say so. Say “this story was inspired by Hooked6’s Punishment Jar story” and then you don’t have to worry about being accused of copying, unless you literally just copy the story.

From my experience, running something through spell check is great. One or two typos is not going to kill a story, but having too many can really kill the vibe or even just confuse the reader. And also avoiding large blocks of text is helpful. Just separate the paragraphs with a double space.
(or hitting Enter/Return twice)

Bad formatting can really be a big turn off for people. If all I see is a wall of text with no punctuation and no proper capitalization it can be a headache. Just putting through Word or Google Docs spell check is helpful to everyone.

Also don’t be afraid to do research. I know for a fact I have blatantly messed things up. Sometimes I do the vaguest research about a topic and I end up misunderstanding what something is or what a term means. And I’m stubborn so usually if I realize I’m wrong and it’s already out there, I’ll just run with it. Some terms you might not know:

Prone - typically lying on one’s stomach with their backside up usually in a vulnerable position.

Supine - Typically lying on one’s back face up

Teddy - refers to a piece of lingerie that is one piece (so bra and panties connected basically almost like a one piece swimsuit but ya know more revealing.

Lingerie- literally is just underwear, but often refers to a sexy looking underwear not just underoos or whatever.

And there’s lots of other terminology that you might think you know but don’t really. I see stuff used in the wrong context all the time, and I have used things in the complete wrong context all the time. It happens. But doing research never hurt anyone. Though sometimes you can end up with results that might surprise you. Like don’t look up anal speculum without safety on because you’ll just end up with all sorts of porn images that are not really pleasing to the eye. I mean unless you’re into that?

If you’re wondering a speculum just refers to a tool that uh spread things apart. Usually the vagina or ass.

Things also to consider when writing is positioning. Is it really realistic for someone to be in a pretzel position with their head up their ass? Probably not. Positioning can be important because it helps the reader understand what they’re supposed to be seeing.

For example: diaper position is usually referring to on the back with legs up towards the head like a baby getting its diaper changed.

If you tell me their knees are at the head, I might be a bit confused, but the better way to phrase it is either just saying supine position, diaper position, or just try to describe the image of what you imagine the position as. Like their legs above their head, feet in the air, spread eagle, t pose, that sort of thing. Also keep in mind of your character. If your character is a gymnast or cheerleader, they can probably put their feet behind their head and lock them, but if your character is bulky and more muscular it’s probably not realistic for them to do that because usually heavyweight aren’t that flexible.

Keeping the little details in mind is important. The thing about this genre in particular is we LOVE descriptions. Let me visualize what is happening. Is the girls nipples protruding from their tight top? Are her boobs hanging out? Is there hair on her pussy?

Also think of what term you do want to use. I have my favorite terms that I use a lot: bare bottom, hairless crotch or bare crotch, bare breasts, flat chest, little pink nipples, dick. Etc there are so many different terms that you can use to describe the “private” parts. But think of how each usage fits the tone of your story. I prefer using the term dick over penis because honestly it just to me has a better ring to it for some reason. I use crotch instead of pussy or vagina because usually I want a more “innocent” term. Same with why I use “bottom” instead of butt or ass. Yeah I could use them, but usually I like to convey a sort of innocence with the terms a sort of youth almost. It just comes down to preference, but it can affect your story depending on the terms you use.

Also: just because it’s adult, doesn’t mean you have to swear. It’s very easy to throw bitch, fuck, ass, shit, etc. around but sometimes those terms can take away from the story. It also can affect how the characters come across. If I just see a wall of fucks I might start thinking this is a porno instead of a story.

That was a joke.

But seriously sometimes using other words can actually be more effective. Changing up terms and dialect can change how your story comes across. If you want the character to come off as a total bitch sure throw around the term slut and such but you don’t really have to. Sometimes it’s better to show it than to just have them swear a lot. Maybe they bump into someone and keep walking, looking back to scoff at them. Maybe they toss a beer bottle onto the streets not caring about littering. Maybe they do something a lot worse without even thinking twice. Show me don’t tell me.

But most importantly. Don’t be afraid to just write. I always like to say that I write for myself and share it with everyone else. If I don’t enjoy what I’m writing, what is the point of doing it in the first place? Don’t feel the need to do what everyone else is doing, be unique, be different! You want your character to be a complete psycopath? Have at it? Want to write an alien ENF story? Go right ahead? Crack addict who has a foot fetish? Sure why not? The best advice, just write what you enjoy. Do keep in mind of unspoken rules though. Overall victims should usually be 18, lowest tolerable age is about 15/16 any lower and you will creep people out. Rape/incest/sexually forced acts ESPECIALLY F/M is overwhelmingly not accepted. Bestiality will just gross people out. The most people will take is like licking privates, but even that can be too much for people. Defecation/urination is a hit or miss for people.

One thing I’ve learned: When in doubt, disclaim. If you know your story might bother some people put warnings.

WARNING: this story contains borderline sexual assault

Or This story contains use of diapers and similar themes.

That sort of stuff will help both you and the reader so they can know if a story may not be for them. And you then don’t have to worry about getting people mad.

I’ve had to learn the hard way the kind of themes people like/don’t like. People really don’t like it when kids get too involved in a story for example, even if they aren’t actually getting naked or whatever, simply them doing it to another person can sometimes weird people out. You have to understand people here have turn ons and turn offs. You are generally free to write whatever, but there are lines people don’t like crossing. Again, when in doubt, put a disclaimer. I have eye witness that it makes a real difference when it comes to reactions and reception.

If you just don’t know what to write, think of challenges or prompts you can write to. Like the recent thing that I’ve done is get a list of places, a list of motives, or other categories, pick one from each list and write a story about it. For example maybe you write a story about someone at a strip club who wants revenge on a consumer. Or maybe someone is at a restaurant but gets punished for some reason. Take a look at past challenges, maybe there’s a prompt you like that you can use.

Overall, just write and post. I can honestly say my first stories I ever wrote in this genre were utter shit. But you learn and grow. So there’s some advice.

Also for the reason why this genre is so popular? I think there’s a mix of reasons. Some people are a real sucker for a good schadenfreude scenario which basically means enjoyment of other people’s suffering. You ever watch a video of a grandma falling and tripping and then laughing? Or someone accidentally shaving their eyebrow off? Or someone falling flat on their face? Think of ENF/ENM/humiliation stories as a more escalated version of that. People enjoy reading and writing those stories because it’s not them. Or maybe they wish it were but it’s a safer way to explore kinks/fantasies without potentially ruining your life.

As for is it wrong to enjoy these stories? Does it make you some sort of sick person? I think the key is understanding these stories are FICTION and are NOT real. Just because I read a story of someone getting a diaper punishment does NOT mean I want to see it happen to anyone in real life.

Is enjoying the fact that the Joker tortures Jason Todd wrong? Is enjoying Darkseid beat the shit out of Superman wrong? Is reading about Voldemort killing Harry’s parents wrong? No. Why? Because it’s FICTION. No one actually wants some guy from another planet to come here and murder everyone. At least I hope not. But we can DREAM about it. And that’s the important thing to remember. FICTION is different from REALITY.

Those are my two cents anyways, feel free to share your own thoughts.

[Executionus]

This is great advice overall. I wanted to add that the best advise for new writers just starting out is this: Find the stories from others that you liked best, and then focus on what parts of that story you would have done differently. Make your first stories that hybrid of the original mixed with your personal vision and tastes, without copying the original too much.



Also I've heard that the ENF, ENM, and all shame/embarrassment fetishes are believed to develop in people who had strong shame or taboo issues placed on them as children/teens. The young mind wires itself during puberty to associate intense shame with sexual arousal because the two were linked during the shy preteen to early teenage years. The adrenaline surges from the mixture of embarrassment and arousal were so intense that our bodies set that as a baseline. That's also a big reason why the fetish is so strongly linked with teenagers and specifically high school, it's because that time period set psychological markers in our brains that remain to this day.

I've mentioned before about myself that my development into the ENF fetish started as early as kindergarten as a direct result of the voyeur-obsessed culture of the daycare I went to. There were also several extremely significant kid-based ENF/ENM scenes in movies and shows back then (Alex Mack, Little Rascals, even Tiny Toons). In addition to spying on girls and trying to see things, I also used to simultaneously desire yet be terrified of the idea of a girl seeing me naked. Honestly I had an ENF/ENM fetish long before I was old enough to actually experience sexual arousal lol. That stuck with me forever. I imagine most of the members of this site have similar origin stories.

[Nikolai]

Honestly I had an ENF/ENM fetish long before I was old enough to actually experience sexual arousal lol. That stuck with me forever. I imagine most of the members of this site have similar origin stories.

I would agree, as a very young kid it was enf/enm but I grew away from the enm in the early age and the enf stuff stuck with me forever, I can physically remember being under 6 years old fantasizing before bed and even dreaming of (albeit significantly more innocent) similar content to this community, I can remember getting a "chub" long before that should of even realistically happened, and as you said that becomes a baseline when it's the only thing making your body react like that at the time. As you said I think pop culture had alot to do with it, at the time pantsing/wedgie/enf/enm stuff was pretty common in cartoons/film. The little rascals one for example, even if it would be an enm scenario I would imagine it to be an enf scenario (alphapha's gf instead of him for example) these all spiraled into this being my basically only fetish and anything else I'm into is more of a subpart to this, back then it was all alot more innocent..but after years and years of stalking all the boards(over half my life now that I mention it, I'm 23, I found Dan's board when I was about 12 reading it on my Playstation portable. I know, I know, there's a disclaimer for a reason but who hasn't clicked "yes im 18") I developed a bit more of a distinct taste, in the sense that I can still find lighthearted fun enf stuff to be erotic but I lean more towards the humiliation and "no holding back" side of things. Sometimes I feel like a bit of a freak but 2 minutes on any "standard" or "kink" pornsite and its just not entertaining, ill never understand how people can literally just get off to watching people have sex.(basic porn), gross. And when I see the amount of shit people are into and how gross twisted shit has 10000x more content than us, I feel like less of a creep, as you even said before, I don't even find myself like "into" young girls like some of the stories we write but its about the mentality and headspace of that age and its the reason enf grown women don't usually work or aren't received as well, its just less believable and less what this genre is. Honestly, albeit the occasional golden video or story elsewhere, if it wasn't for this board idk how I'd feel because this is honest to God the only true place I feel like people get it, even enf content creators don't get it," real" noncon stuff is out the window on nearly every site now(even fun pantsings with friends) i just feel like the whole enf thing is quiet a niche fetish and our subgenre of "enf stripped naked humiliation" esque stuff is even more niche, I'm glad we have this and have managed to keep it through several board collapses. The board makes me feel less isolated in the headspace I've been in since 5. Interesting to here origin stories so I figured I'd share mine.





Also humiliatron great advice, I hope we start seeing more authors pop up

[Executionus]

I'm 23, I found Dan's board when I was about 12 reading it on my Playstation portable. I know, I know, there's a disclaimer for a reason but who hasn't clicked "yes im 18")

This just randomly reminded me about two things from my past that I felt like sharing. The first is that when I was around 18-20 I had a whole horde of 14-year-old boys and girls who were fans of my erotic stories online, especially my more mainstream non-enf stuff that I never posted on these boards. I never cared that they were underaged reading my stuff, I'm legendary about my lack of giving a damn about social taboos in general. Considering half the people I know lost their virginity around 14 (and several made babies by 16), I've always felt that it was pointless to pretend that teenagers were "too young" to be exposed to sex things.

As the years went on, I had one girl tell me as an adult that when she was 14 one of my stories managed to give her the first orgasm of her life, which was simultaneously weird to hear but also a bit of an honor. Apparently my description of oral sex on a girl in one of my vanilla stories hit her just right, and she grew up fantasizing about receiving that. And then one day she had a boyfriend actually do it to her and it wasn't even 5% as good as she had imagined it to be. Either he sucked, or I had ruined her with sky-high expectations, one of the two.

The second thing you reminded me of was my own naughty website accessing when I was a very young teen. A series of random events led me to accidentally discover that the word "angel" was a code word for "underaged nude model". In the olden days of the internet, the filters were practically non-existent. Very young me was extremely interested in the concept of seeing naked girls around my own age, and as a result I spent a large amount of time on Japanese and European youth model sites that used "angel" as their code word. Fast forward a couple years and a random free-time discussion in a high school class lead to the revelation that nearly every single boy and girl in that class, like 25 of us, had discovered the exact same thing back then (either girl models or boy models) and had heavily sampled the eye candy. We started sharing stories and sources and found out that many of us were even viewing the exact same websites. I think we almost gave the teacher a heart attack with this discussion, but honestly he seemed more amazed by the ingenuity of the young than he was bothered by what we had all done. Nowadays Google and the other search engines block that sort of thing, for obvious reasons, but back in the late 90s you could literally bring up all sorts of crazy stuff just by searching the word "angel" with some adjective like "tiny", "little" or "sweet". It was pretty nuts in retrospect.

So yeah, I can't really judge you reading Dan's board at 12. I did worse.

[Nikolai]

So yeah, I can't really judge you reading Dan's board at 12. I did worse.
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I actually can remember being young and searching something similar

I was a fairly sheltered kid and oblivious to how illegal the searches I was making was, but as you said I was more intrigued by people my age at the time and a grown woman seemed just odd to search for being 12 or 13. I never found anything like the angel thing, and I was probably to late into the interweb age to stumble across something like that, but thinking back on it now..thank God my parents never got a knock on the door from the fbi or something. My search history of "forced strippings" is probably dark enough let alone that. Ah, what innocence we all used to have.