Levels of nudity severity

[SaucyKnaves]

BP's "What to Strip?" question has incentivized me to post something in a similar vein. Executionus was excited for new threads of this ilk, so here goes. In terms of the grand reveal, the sexes have the following:

(M) bare torso, underwear, bare butt, exposed penis, aroused penis, ejaculation

(F) bra, panties, exposed breasts, bare butt, exposed vagina, spread vagina, orgasm

My fascination has always been how different writers would rate the *severity* of each "thing." Commenters can use either a scale of 1-5 or a scale of 1-10 in their responses for each part to reveal. 1 is for something practically not worth mentioning; the maximum number is for something unparalleled in its shame - something that would mortify the victim, and that they could never live down.

For example, do you think a man stripped to his underwear is in as equally a compromising position as a woman? Now's your time to make your voice heard and give your reasons!

Obviously different people feel differently about the severity of their exposure. For example, a woman with small breasts may be more ashamed to show them off than they would their genitals. For the intents and purposes of maintaining a control group with this thread, this is assuming average endowments.

[edithdick]

Stripping can go too far…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hxqaeBrBrl4

[Executionus]

On the other hand, I think that a woman's embarrassment doesn't quite match the level of a man's embarrassment, due to the fact that a man has no control over rigidity. (Sorry, but I don't think that a woman's erect nipples equate in any way to that. Again, others may disagree.)

I agree completely that an ENM's embarrassment far surpasses an ENF's, but the hardness factor of the dick is barely even a factor of that in my mind. I should probably make a whole separate thread for that subject actually, but the cliff notes version is that men face far more pressure related to their bodies, receive far less mercy, are considered open season for mockery (even mockery of their anatomy), and the very fact that being dominated and stripped against their will robs a man of not just his modesty and his dignity, it also robs him of his very masculinity by displaying him as weak and powerless. A woman being stripped in public will gain fans and crushes and people will rush to comfort her and tell her how sexy she is. A man stripped in public will usually lose whatever sexual attraction the girls had in him prior since he's forever lost his aura of masculine dominance and toughness and all women in the audience will never be able to look up to him again. And in the case of a teenage boy, this is amplified tenfold.

As for dick rigidity equaling erect nipples, I agree that's not correct. The only time those equal each other is when the person is clothed (pitching a tent vs chest pokies). Naked is way different. Speaking as a guy, we can barely even tell the difference between hard nipples and relaxed nipples on most naked women since the change is so subtle. The female equivalent to a hard dick displaying its arousal would be a spread/wet pussy displaying it's arousal.



As for the list itself, I'm gonna add a bunch of categories to that and kinda compare male and female embarrassment for each equal level. Obviously certain categories have wildly different embarrassment levels per person based on individual insecurities, but this is an average. Scores are 1-10.

Male undershirt -- 1
Female bra -- 1.5

Men literally don't give a damn about showing their undershirts and will do it on purpose to be sexy.

Women slightly care about bras, but since half of their tops and dresses expose their bra straps (or the whole bra) anyway, most women are pretty used to the idea that everybody they know has seen their bras on several occasions. Women are especially relaxed about sports bras, frequently appearing in public wearing just them. For a lot of women their bras are more conservative than their swim suits, which they appear wearing in public just fine.

Male underwear -- 4
Female panties -- 2-4 (depending on raciness)

Men are much more embarrassed by their underwear for several reasons, including the fact that most male underwear is not designed to look attractive in any way (and men tend to keep old damaged/stained underwear longer). Male underwear also does very little to hide the shape and size of a man's parts.

Meanwhile panties are almost entirely designed around looking hot (usually at the cost of comfort) and they still generally hide everything well unless they get wet or are designed to be racy. Women frequently walk around in just a shirt and panties when at home, even in front of platonic male roommates or their own parents. This number catches up to the men in the case of certain lingerie items, like see-through lace or micro thongs.

Male pitched tent -- 6
Female nipple pokies -- 3

A man pitching a tent is considered extremely shameful and embarrassing, to the point where it's an entire cliché for embarrassing stories during schooling years. The act of getting hard while dressed in public is seen as directly a personal failing of the man/boy in question, who can be harshly ridiculed or punished for the act despite not having much control over it.

Female nipples poking out is embarrassing as well, but there's no real added shame element to it and it's seen as a much more natural occurrence. In fact it's the BOYS that can be shamed for staring at them, or even fired over it (knew a guy once). These can be excused away as being caused by the cold or basic contact as opposed to sexual arousal (even if it's a lie).


Male shirtless -- 1.5
Female topless -- 7 (5-9 range average)

Obviously women care more about being topless than men, but many men are insecure about their lack of ab definition or the size of their stomachs. Fit men set the number down to literal 0 however.

Many women are highly protective of their nipples, freaking out if even a tiny speck of areola sticks out of a top. Some like BP and a few others I know are more embarrassed by their nipples than they are even their pussy. Other women are much more relaxed, openly advocating for the right to go topless in public or breast feed in public. Lots of women will go braless around platonic guys they trust, even if wearing a loose top which threatens flashing. This exposure item varies in severity the most of everything based on the person.

Male bare butt -- 6
Female bare butt -- 4

Men are significantly more embarrassed by being forced to show their butt than women are, partially because there is a passive "women have no use for this part, this is only for gay guys" feeling among heterosexual men. Male butts usually have hair and shape issues as the vast majority of straight men spend zero effort trying to specifically make their butts look attractive.

Women, meanwhile, love thongs, leggings, tight jeans/shorts, or other bottoms designed to maximize butt exposure without crossing the final line to actual nudity. Women twerk and do other dances of that nature to display their butts prominently. If caught naked, almost no women will choose to waste a hand covering their butts when they have far more personal parts in the front. Most of female embarrassment from being bottomless comes from worry over flashing more than just the butt if they bend over, which doesn't count here.

Soft Penis -- 9.5
Vagina (legs closed) -- 8

Hard Penis -- 8.5
Vagina (legs opened) -- 9
Vagina (behind view) -- 9

Penis dripping precum -- 9
Vagina (wet) -- 10

Lots of categories in this part, all detailing various forms/states of the genitals. For men, their erect dick showing would be highly embarrassing for sure, but yet quite a bit less embarrassing then if it was dripping precum or if it was soft. Many women (and even some men it seems) incorrectly assume that a male getting an erection when naked would increase their humiliation, but it's actually the opposite that's true. Men HATE displaying their dicks when they are small and soft. Ask any man how many pictures he's ever taken or sent of himself hard, and then ask that same man how many pictures he's ever taken or sent of himself soft. The difference in number will be profound. One of my exes used to get annoyed by the fact that all of her previous boyfriends would immediately put their underwear back on after sex, refusing to let her see them in their small state. Some men increase in size more than double when they get hard, meaning that their small state looks absolutely pitiful in comparison. There is also the fact that a soft dick is not seen as "sexy" by women, and every damn woman alive makes the mistake of telling her men that she thinks they look "cute" like that. Just FYI, not one guy alive wants to be told that his genitals look "cute", that word applied there feels belittling and condescending. Men want their penises to elicit a "WOW that's exciting!!!" reaction, not an "Awwwww~~~ that's adorable!" reaction.

Meanwhile women are highly embarrassed about their vaginas, increasing the more explicitly that they are exposed. A stripped woman whose pussy is showing visible wetness (especially heavy levels) is basically the single most humiliating and private bodily exposure possible, since it is deeply sexual and explicit in a way that far exceeds anything else a woman can display. Being wet implies that she's getting off to her own exposure, which is shameful and degrading.

Male touching self -- 10
Female touching self -- 10

For both this scores maximum, since this is performing a degrading sex act on yourself which is so much worse than just displaying the genitals. If you want a tie-breaker, men barely win because there is a social stigma around the idea that only losers who can't get laid touch themselves. Women technically can hide their pussies by playing with themselves, but the mere act of it being directly sexual in nature cancels that out for women.

(Assuming all straight)
Male touched by female -- 6
Female touched by male -- 9

Male touched by male -- 10
Female touched by female -- 7

Men touched by women actually lowers their overall embarrassment compared to just being on display naked in front of people. The pleasure of the act, and presumably the approval/excitement of the woman doing the touching, make things far better in the man's mind. A straight man touched by another guy, however, is beyond horrific for most guys. The only situation where a woman could feel repulsion and shame equal to a straight man being touched by a guy would be if the woman was touched by her father/grandfather.

Women touched by men is highly humiliating for a girl, yet slightly less extreme than touching herself due to possible pleasant arousal involved. It's considered less degrading to be touched by another as opposed to yourself. A straight woman touched by another woman is very embarrassing, but less so than a random man doing it because women tend to trust each other more and be more relaxed. Presumably the woman will also have better technique (massive experience advantage).

Male stimulated by vibrating toy -- 9-10
Female stimulated by external toy -- 8
Female stimulated by insertion vibrator -- 8.5
Female stimulated by penetration toy -- 9

Part of what makes male toy usage so high is that it's not nearly as normalized as female toy usage. A man wearing a vibrating cock ring is going to be far more humiliated than a girl wearing an inserted vibrator, even if they're basically the same thing. The man has to deal with a layer of looking ridiculous added on top of the nudity and sexual shame.

Male orgasm -- 10
Female orgasm -- 9 (8-10 range average)

The male orgasm is the single most humiliating thing to a guy, where a female orgasm is much more subtle. The male side is the exact opposite of subtle. Men cumming makes a gigantic and explicitly-sexual display that can be seen clearly by anyone within 30 feet of the act. It produces a huge mess which is shameful all by itself. A man is humiliated beyond belief if somebody sees just the mess left over, even if the witness never saw the man cum or even his dick at all. Women are less ashamed of their used tampons than a man is of his used tissues. A man forced to cum in public is the ultimate humiliation. The humiliation actually climbs up to 11 if the man is forced to cum quickly as opposed to lasting longer, as cumming quickly is the ultimate male failure when it comes to sex and will 100% invite vicious merciless mockery with nobody feeling a hint of empathy.

Female orgasms have the advantage of being hidden usually. Women can cum in public and stay completely undetected often enough. They can also fake it to appease a tormentor if need be, which is less humiliating than the real thing. What can cause this to equal male levels, however, is if the girl squirts. A girl squirting is on equal humiliation grounds with a man shooting.

Straight male butt penetration -- 11
Female butt penetration -- 8

Nothing is worse than this for a straight male, and it crosses the line so completely that most straight males don't even want to read about that act happening in ENM stories.
For women it's humiliating too, but not nearly to the same level. Some women really enjoy wearing butt plugs, including tails (even in public!).



I think I have enough exposure levels for one post now. Lemme know if any of you disagree with my numbers on any of these!

[ChubbyChaser73]

I should probably make a whole separate thread for that subject actually, but the cliff notes version is that men face far more pressure related to their bodies, receive far less mercy, are considered open season for mockery (even mockery of their anatomy), and the very fact that being dominated and stripped against their will robs a man of not just his modesty and his dignity, it also robs him of his very masculinity by displaying him as weak and powerless. A woman being stripped in public will gain fans and crushes and people will rush to comfort her and tell her how sexy she is. A man stripped in public will usually lose whatever sexual attraction the girls had in him prior since he's forever lost his aura of masculine dominance and toughness and all women in the audience will never be able to look up to him again. And in the case of a teenage boy, this is amplified tenfold.

Male underwear -- 4
Female panties -- 2-4 (depending on raciness)

Men are much more embarrassed by their underwear for several reasons, including the fact that most male underwear is not designed to look attractive in any way (and men tend to keep old damaged/stained underwear longer). Male underwear also does very little to hide the shape and size of a man's parts.

Male pitched tent -- 6
Female nipple pokies -- 3

A man pitching a tent is considered extremely shameful and embarrassing, to the point where it's an entire cliché for embarrassing stories during schooling years. The act of getting hard while dressed in public is seen as directly a personal failing of the man/boy in question, who can be harshly ridiculed or punished for the act despite not having much control over it.

Male bare butt -- 6
Female bare butt -- 4

Men are significantly more embarrassed by being forced to show their butt than women are, partially because there is a passive "women have no use for this part, this is only for gay guys" feeling among heterosexual men. Male butts usually have hair and shape issues as the vast majority of straight men spend zero effort trying to specifically make their butts look attractive.

Soft Penis -- 9.5
Vagina (legs closed) -- 8

Hard Penis -- 8.5
Vagina (legs opened) -- 9
Vagina (behind view) -- 9

Penis dripping precum -- 9
Vagina (wet) -- 10

Lots of categories in this part, all detailing various forms/states of the genitals. For men, their erect dick showing would be highly embarrassing for sure, but yet quite a bit less embarrassing then if it was dripping precum or if it was soft. Many women (and even some men it seems) incorrectly assume that a male getting an erection when naked would increase their humiliation, but it's actually the opposite that's true. Men HATE displaying their dicks when they are small and soft. Ask any man how many pictures he's ever taken or sent of himself hard, and then ask that same man how many pictures he's ever taken or sent of himself soft. The difference in number will be profound. One of my exes used to get annoyed by the fact that all of her previous boyfriends would immediately put their underwear back on after sex, refusing to let her see them in their small state. Some men increase in size more than double when they get hard, meaning that their small state looks absolutely pitiful in comparison. There is also the fact that a soft dick is not seen as "sexy" by women, and every damn woman alive makes the mistake of telling her men that she thinks they look "cute" like that. Just FYI, not one guy alive wants to be told that his genitals look "cute", that word applied there feels belittling and condescending. Men want their penises to elicit a "WOW that's exciting!!!" reaction, not an "Awwwww~~~ that's adorable!" reaction.

Male orgasm -- 10
Female orgasm -- 9 (8-10 range average)

The male orgasm is the single most humiliating thing to a guy, where a female orgasm is much more subtle. The male side is the exact opposite of subtle. Men cumming makes a gigantic and explicitly-sexual display that can be seen clearly by anyone within 30 feet of the act. It produces a huge mess which is shameful all by itself. A man is humiliated beyond belief if somebody sees just the mess left over, even if the witness never saw the man cum or even his dick at all. Women are less ashamed of their used tampons than a man is of his used tissues. A man forced to cum in public is the ultimate humiliation. The humiliation actually climbs up to 11 if the man is forced to cum quickly as opposed to lasting longer, as cumming quickly is the ultimate male failure when it comes to sex and will 100% invite vicious merciless mockery with nobody feeling a hint of empathy.

I agree with Executionus. This state of affairs is so unfair for us men! I feel oppressed just reading this. Who do I blame? Let's put together a petition and see if we can do something about it! Who's with me?!